Oh...your email made me very sad! I haven't posted in a while but I have
been lurking and reading the posts. I love this hobby and there are so many
good people involved in it!
It makes me very sad that you would be so discouraged by one (or a few).
My thoughts are with you!
Peppermint Patti
Rules and irony
16 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-01-02
Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: Peppermint Patti (peppermint.patti@att.net) |
Date: 2004-01-02 20:09:59 UTC-05:00
Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: (gbecket@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-02 20:49:42 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 1/2/2004 7:45:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alwayschaos@yahoo.com writes:
> So, whoever did this and to those who gleefully think "she got hers",
> sit back with whatever satisfaction you got from it. I hope you are
> proud of what you accomplished. I pity you.
>
>
I'm very sorry to hear that this happened and it definitely does sound like
an intentional bit of vandalism, and not the rational decision of an analytical
mind. I doubt any but a very few would have any satisfaction from this and I
think that nearly everyone on the list would be sorry to hear that this
happened and sorry to see you discouraged by such a petty, destructive and somewhat
unhinged act.
All the boxes I've planted but one have been either destroyed or disappeared.
I know when I put them out that this can, and probably will, happen
eventually. I send my hitchhikers out and hope that I'll get to see them again. If I
get one back and make it to claiming a full log book, I'm happy. If not, I'm
ecstatic to get email from people who've seen them. Your boxes are like any
other work of art and once they're out of your hands they're out of your
control, but I still like sending them out and intend to continue.
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alwayschaos@yahoo.com writes:
> So, whoever did this and to those who gleefully think "she got hers",
> sit back with whatever satisfaction you got from it. I hope you are
> proud of what you accomplished. I pity you.
>
>
I'm very sorry to hear that this happened and it definitely does sound like
an intentional bit of vandalism, and not the rational decision of an analytical
mind. I doubt any but a very few would have any satisfaction from this and I
think that nearly everyone on the list would be sorry to hear that this
happened and sorry to see you discouraged by such a petty, destructive and somewhat
unhinged act.
All the boxes I've planted but one have been either destroyed or disappeared.
I know when I put them out that this can, and probably will, happen
eventually. I send my hitchhikers out and hope that I'll get to see them again. If I
get one back and make it to claiming a full log book, I'm happy. If not, I'm
ecstatic to get email from people who've seen them. Your boxes are like any
other work of art and once they're out of your hands they're out of your
control, but I still like sending them out and intend to continue.
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Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: Ron Salladin (salladin@frontiernet.net) |
Date: 2004-01-02 21:16:39 UTC-05:00
I second Peppermint Patti's thoughts and I'm sure others do too. It must
have been a sad day for you and your daughter. I know the cost was high
but please don't stop playing the game. Because if you do, it means
they've won, and that would truly be a pity.
RON'nRON from Upstate NY
>
>
have been a sad day for you and your daughter. I know the cost was high
but please don't stop playing the game. Because if you do, it means
they've won, and that would truly be a pity.
RON'nRON from Upstate NY
>
>
Re: Rules and irony
From: Pete (jiggs111@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2004-01-03 04:30:43 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "alwayschaos"
wrote:
> So, whoever did this and to those who gleefully think "she got
hers",
> sit back with whatever satisfaction you got from it. I hope you are
> proud of what you accomplished. I pity you.
As a lurker and occasional poster here, I must also echo the
sentiments of the others in urging you not to give in to the
malicious losers that do this sort of thing.
My family (wife, 2 young daughters) got in to this hobby/sport as a
means of getting out into the country, getting some exercise and most
importantly, doing things as a family - some things that we tend to
forget about in the hustle and bustle of our lives.
We have witnessed first-hand the thrill of a "first find" in the
pristine wilderness of northern CA, and the revulsion at finding a
soiled diaper placed where a letterbox should have been. Still, we
continue to look and plant, because despite whatever anyone may try
to do, no one can take away our memories and the friends we've made
through this hobby.
Don't give in!!!
> So, whoever did this and to those who gleefully think "she got
hers",
> sit back with whatever satisfaction you got from it. I hope you are
> proud of what you accomplished. I pity you.
As a lurker and occasional poster here, I must also echo the
sentiments of the others in urging you not to give in to the
malicious losers that do this sort of thing.
My family (wife, 2 young daughters) got in to this hobby/sport as a
means of getting out into the country, getting some exercise and most
importantly, doing things as a family - some things that we tend to
forget about in the hustle and bustle of our lives.
We have witnessed first-hand the thrill of a "first find" in the
pristine wilderness of northern CA, and the revulsion at finding a
soiled diaper placed where a letterbox should have been. Still, we
continue to look and plant, because despite whatever anyone may try
to do, no one can take away our memories and the friends we've made
through this hobby.
Don't give in!!!
Re: Rules and irony
From: birder579 (birder579@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-03 14:48:27 UTC
Let me also share my sympathy on the loss of your boxes. Such cruel
people do unfortunately exist in our world. Your loss of heart for
this fun hobby is painful. I have not yet lost any of the boxes I
am maintaining, but it would be sad for me, too, to endure such
wanton destructiveness.
Ron is right, if we close ourselves off from the fun aspects of
letterboxing because of the vileness of a few, we do the most damage
to ourselves. I enjoy finding new places to visit, hiking and
observing nature along the way, and the thrill of finding a box in a
secret hiding place. I have enjoyed these things before I found out
about letterboxing, and I will continue to enjoy them. I am not
going to let a few vandals change what I enjoy. They would allow
them to win.
Is there anything we can learn from the experiences of boxes that
have been distroyed? Are there common locations or factors that we
can avoid when placing new boxes? If we can learn what not to do,
we can make lemons into lemonade.
The Bird Stamper
people do unfortunately exist in our world. Your loss of heart for
this fun hobby is painful. I have not yet lost any of the boxes I
am maintaining, but it would be sad for me, too, to endure such
wanton destructiveness.
Ron is right, if we close ourselves off from the fun aspects of
letterboxing because of the vileness of a few, we do the most damage
to ourselves. I enjoy finding new places to visit, hiking and
observing nature along the way, and the thrill of finding a box in a
secret hiding place. I have enjoyed these things before I found out
about letterboxing, and I will continue to enjoy them. I am not
going to let a few vandals change what I enjoy. They would allow
them to win.
Is there anything we can learn from the experiences of boxes that
have been distroyed? Are there common locations or factors that we
can avoid when placing new boxes? If we can learn what not to do,
we can make lemons into lemonade.
The Bird Stamper
Re: Rules and irony
From: Phyto (phyto_me@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-03 15:02:55 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "birder579" wrote:
> Is there anything we can learn from the experiences of boxes that
> have been distroyed? Are there common locations or factors that we
> can avoid when placing new boxes? If we can learn what not to do,
> we can make lemons into lemonade.
This is a great take-home question/lesson. I keep thinking that if it
is the original placement of the box in question, then the best option
is to revisit the location and decide if it's too out in the open. If
a casual, non-letterboxer can obtain the clue and find the box then
it's doomed for destruction.
If however the box is placed with complete discretion in mind so that
a casual find is not possible this eliminates the chance...but not
entirely.
Once a person puts their clues out on the web, it's a free-for-all.
It's a meat market out there and your boxes are on the chopping block.
Who knows what malicious individual might tarket your boxes next? I'd
like to think that all of us are nice people - but time tells otherwise.
So, you really have multiple factors working against you in this case.
If you've taken the route of publishing clues on the web, you have NO
control over the fate of your box - but if you have decided that you
want a certain audience and try like mad to keep undesireables out -
then you have a slight chance of protecting your treasure.
Too bad on the losses, not all is lost but all shall be remembered.
> Is there anything we can learn from the experiences of boxes that
> have been distroyed? Are there common locations or factors that we
> can avoid when placing new boxes? If we can learn what not to do,
> we can make lemons into lemonade.
This is a great take-home question/lesson. I keep thinking that if it
is the original placement of the box in question, then the best option
is to revisit the location and decide if it's too out in the open. If
a casual, non-letterboxer can obtain the clue and find the box then
it's doomed for destruction.
If however the box is placed with complete discretion in mind so that
a casual find is not possible this eliminates the chance...but not
entirely.
Once a person puts their clues out on the web, it's a free-for-all.
It's a meat market out there and your boxes are on the chopping block.
Who knows what malicious individual might tarket your boxes next? I'd
like to think that all of us are nice people - but time tells otherwise.
So, you really have multiple factors working against you in this case.
If you've taken the route of publishing clues on the web, you have NO
control over the fate of your box - but if you have decided that you
want a certain audience and try like mad to keep undesireables out -
then you have a slight chance of protecting your treasure.
Too bad on the losses, not all is lost but all shall be remembered.
Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: (mohmers@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-03 10:49:32 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 1/2/2004 6:45:15 PM Central Standard Time,
alwayschaos@yahoo.com writes:
> This obviously was not a random act done by someone who happened to
> find one hiding place, this was done by someone with clues in hand
> and maliciousness in their hearts.
>
> What really makes me upset is that some of these stamps and logbooks
> were created by my daughter. As she asked me yesterday "Mom, why
> would anyone do this?"
>
I am so sorry to hear that this happened to you.
I know it is upsetting to have one of your letterboxes vandalized, let alone
all of them.
What a shame.
Mohmers
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alwayschaos@yahoo.com writes:
> This obviously was not a random act done by someone who happened to
> find one hiding place, this was done by someone with clues in hand
> and maliciousness in their hearts.
>
> What really makes me upset is that some of these stamps and logbooks
> were created by my daughter. As she asked me yesterday "Mom, why
> would anyone do this?"
>
I am so sorry to hear that this happened to you.
I know it is upsetting to have one of your letterboxes vandalized, let alone
all of them.
What a shame.
Mohmers
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Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: (StDebb@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-03 11:06:13 UTC-05:00
mohmers@aol.com writes:
> I am so sorry to hear that this happened to you.
> I know it is upsetting to have one of your letterboxes vandalized, let alone
> all of them.
>
> What a shame.
>
A shame, indeed. It hurts not only the placer, but also anyone who might
have wanted to find those boxes down the line. It's a pity some can't respect
the letterbox, if not the letterboxer.
DebBee
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> I am so sorry to hear that this happened to you.
> I know it is upsetting to have one of your letterboxes vandalized, let alone
> all of them.
>
> What a shame.
>
A shame, indeed. It hurts not only the placer, but also anyone who might
have wanted to find those boxes down the line. It's a pity some can't respect
the letterbox, if not the letterboxer.
DebBee
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Re: Rules and irony
From: psycomommy2003 (ktborrelli@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-01-04 22:16:35 UTC
Unfortunately you have joined the rest of us that have encountered
the aftermath of what appears to be a "seek and destroy mission".
Fortunately you had a long run.
I believe that publishing clues leads the boxes demise. I switched
to Mystery boxes. They last a bit longer. It's best to plant and send
clues to those you know who can be discreet.
Living in MD, and having had the FBI comb through the parks, has
taught me to be very careful. Big Brother is watching and he doesn't
like people sneaking around hunting down little treasures that can be
mistaken for terrorist packages.
I'm not going to let anyone spoil my fun, so I choose a different
tactic.
Psychomommy and Princess Turtle
P40 F154 -F4 X114 PB5 E9 C0 D3 R2 SS1 L18
for all the newbies
-F those I've looked for but couldn't find
PB boxes in mail
E events
C confiscated by NPS
R rescues
SS Space Station speeding across the early morning sky
L the ever lovin' reptiles
the aftermath of what appears to be a "seek and destroy mission".
Fortunately you had a long run.
I believe that publishing clues leads the boxes demise. I switched
to Mystery boxes. They last a bit longer. It's best to plant and send
clues to those you know who can be discreet.
Living in MD, and having had the FBI comb through the parks, has
taught me to be very careful. Big Brother is watching and he doesn't
like people sneaking around hunting down little treasures that can be
mistaken for terrorist packages.
I'm not going to let anyone spoil my fun, so I choose a different
tactic.
Psychomommy and Princess Turtle
P40 F154 -F4 X114 PB5 E9 C0 D3 R2 SS1 L18
for all the newbies
-F those I've looked for but couldn't find
PB boxes in mail
E events
C confiscated by NPS
R rescues
SS Space Station speeding across the early morning sky
L the ever lovin' reptiles
Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-01-04 21:05:00 UTC-05:00
I have to agree. The 'Support Our Troops' thread here also reminded me:
There are many bad-hearted people out there. There always will be. We hope to think we will be safe from them here, and I hope to think we will often be. But wemust never lose sight of the dangers, if not to our safety, then even to our deepest feelings. Does that mean we quit? Never.
Think of the hurt we feel when we go through our first break-up. Do we stop loving? I hope never!
Think of the hurt we feel when someone whom we respect lets us down, or criticizes sharply. Do we stop trying? I hope never!
Think of the pain of losing a loved one. Do we shut out the world? I hope never!
Letterboxes in reality can be such silly things, but ew hold these bits of plastic and eraser dear, since they represent a fun community and a shared hobby. We meet and share because it lightens our day and our world. It's certainly entertained our family one way or another!
Don't let the dark minds and the dark hearts of the world snuff that out. If you stay true to the spirit of fun and challenge and shared (even if not with everyone) good times, then no amount of pathetic vandalism can stop us. Remember the story of the Grinch Who Stole Christmas - he failed.
Dave, of the von der Insels
(Major David Cormier, USAR)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Salladin
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
I second Peppermint Patti's thoughts and I'm sure others do too. It must
have been a sad day for you and your daughter. I know the cost was high
but please don't stop playing the game. Because if you do, it means
they've won, and that would truly be a pity.
RON'nRON from Upstate NY
>
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There are many bad-hearted people out there. There always will be. We hope to think we will be safe from them here, and I hope to think we will often be. But wemust never lose sight of the dangers, if not to our safety, then even to our deepest feelings. Does that mean we quit? Never.
Think of the hurt we feel when we go through our first break-up. Do we stop loving? I hope never!
Think of the hurt we feel when someone whom we respect lets us down, or criticizes sharply. Do we stop trying? I hope never!
Think of the pain of losing a loved one. Do we shut out the world? I hope never!
Letterboxes in reality can be such silly things, but ew hold these bits of plastic and eraser dear, since they represent a fun community and a shared hobby. We meet and share because it lightens our day and our world. It's certainly entertained our family one way or another!
Don't let the dark minds and the dark hearts of the world snuff that out. If you stay true to the spirit of fun and challenge and shared (even if not with everyone) good times, then no amount of pathetic vandalism can stop us. Remember the story of the Grinch Who Stole Christmas - he failed.
Dave, of the von der Insels
(Major David Cormier, USAR)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Salladin
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
I second Peppermint Patti's thoughts and I'm sure others do too. It must
have been a sad day for you and your daughter. I know the cost was high
but please don't stop playing the game. Because if you do, it means
they've won, and that would truly be a pity.
RON'nRON from Upstate NY
>
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Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: Lisa A (lisasjunk@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-01-05 12:13:49 UTC-05:00
I whole agree with the positive people. If you let the negativity into your world then the evil truely win. I work in the rubberstamping community and have enjoyed all the letterboxers I have met. I have even taken step one in purchasing a really cool log book. I am looking forward to letterboxing....I love scavenger hunts and seeing new places and have even thought of a few future homes for yet to be born letterboxes.
Don't let the bad people of the world get to you. If they are so small of mind and heart then that is their fate...but I would like to think that the replies I have seen on here are indictitive of the true nature of letterboxes!
Looking forward to the Letterboxing Experience...
-Lisa
A Chica Chic!
----- Original Message -----
From: dave & diane
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
I have to agree. The 'Support Our Troops' thread here also reminded me:
There are many bad-hearted people out there. There always will be. We hope to think we will be safe from them here, and I hope to think we will often be. But wemust never lose sight of the dangers, if not to our safety, then even to our deepest feelings. Does that mean we quit? Never.
Think of the hurt we feel when we go through our first break-up. Do we stop loving? I hope never!
Think of the hurt we feel when someone whom we respect lets us down, or criticizes sharply. Do we stop trying? I hope never!
Think of the pain of losing a loved one. Do we shut out the world? I hope never!
Letterboxes in reality can be such silly things, but ew hold these bits of plastic and eraser dear, since they represent a fun community and a shared hobby. We meet and share because it lightens our day and our world. It's certainly entertained our family one way or another!
Don't let the dark minds and the dark hearts of the world snuff that out. If you stay true to the spirit of fun and challenge and shared (even if not with everyone) good times, then no amount of pathetic vandalism can stop us. Remember the story of the Grinch Who Stole Christmas - he failed.
Dave, of the von der Insels
(Major David Cormier, USAR)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Salladin
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
I second Peppermint Patti's thoughts and I'm sure others do too. It must
have been a sad day for you and your daughter. I know the cost was high
but please don't stop playing the game. Because if you do, it means
they've won, and that would truly be a pity.
RON'nRON from Upstate NY
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Don't let the bad people of the world get to you. If they are so small of mind and heart then that is their fate...but I would like to think that the replies I have seen on here are indictitive of the true nature of letterboxes!
Looking forward to the Letterboxing Experience...
-Lisa
A Chica Chic!
----- Original Message -----
From: dave & diane
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
I have to agree. The 'Support Our Troops' thread here also reminded me:
There are many bad-hearted people out there. There always will be. We hope to think we will be safe from them here, and I hope to think we will often be. But wemust never lose sight of the dangers, if not to our safety, then even to our deepest feelings. Does that mean we quit? Never.
Think of the hurt we feel when we go through our first break-up. Do we stop loving? I hope never!
Think of the hurt we feel when someone whom we respect lets us down, or criticizes sharply. Do we stop trying? I hope never!
Think of the pain of losing a loved one. Do we shut out the world? I hope never!
Letterboxes in reality can be such silly things, but ew hold these bits of plastic and eraser dear, since they represent a fun community and a shared hobby. We meet and share because it lightens our day and our world. It's certainly entertained our family one way or another!
Don't let the dark minds and the dark hearts of the world snuff that out. If you stay true to the spirit of fun and challenge and shared (even if not with everyone) good times, then no amount of pathetic vandalism can stop us. Remember the story of the Grinch Who Stole Christmas - he failed.
Dave, of the von der Insels
(Major David Cormier, USAR)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Salladin
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
I second Peppermint Patti's thoughts and I'm sure others do too. It must
have been a sad day for you and your daughter. I know the cost was high
but please don't stop playing the game. Because if you do, it means
they've won, and that would truly be a pity.
RON'nRON from Upstate NY
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Re: [LbNA] Rules and irony
From: (HANNAHKAT@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-01-05 12:56:27 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 1/5/2004 12:48:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lisasjunk@cox.net writes:
Don't let the bad people of the world get to you. If they are so small of
mind and heart then that is their fate...but I would like to think that the
replies I have seen on here are indictitive of the true nature of letterboxes!
Here Here! What goes around, comes around, I always say...The jerks of the
world will get their comeuppance...now or later. Just thumb your nose at them
and 'box on!
Cheers!
-Kim (Rustypuff)
"No matter how badly the idiots may surround you...they are still the idiots"
~ Daria
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lisasjunk@cox.net writes:
Don't let the bad people of the world get to you. If they are so small of
mind and heart then that is their fate...but I would like to think that the
replies I have seen on here are indictitive of the true nature of letterboxes!
Here Here! What goes around, comes around, I always say...The jerks of the
world will get their comeuppance...now or later. Just thumb your nose at them
and 'box on!
Cheers!
-Kim (Rustypuff)
"No matter how badly the idiots may surround you...they are still the idiots"
~ Daria
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Re: Rules and irony
From: mr_elsworth_toohey (mr_elsworth_toohey@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-05 21:24:12 UTC
Dear Chaos et al, I have been away from my computer (I only have
access at work) so I just saw your post. Indeed I am sorry that you
have been hurt by what are clearly senseless acts. I hope that you
are just wondering aloud about the person who may have vandalized
your boxes because I assure you that I did not commit, and would not
consider such an act. I don't know if you saw my philosophical
ramblings a while back but I would hope that it would be clear from
that post that I wouldn't do anything like what has happened to you.
I posted your warning with out mentioning the source because I
didn't want to drag you into it and engage you directly in a public
forum. What I wanted was an objective response about what the
warning meant. The very fact that you wrote the warning indicates
that you have a specific bias. I don't deny you the right to have a
viewpoint; I just wished to hear an independent opinion. What I
heard in the warning is your contention that "the game" was intended
to be played a specific way. This implies rules and that runs
counter to what I understand about letterboxing. "The Game" seems to
have evolved without rules and with out any central authority with
many variations from the origional Dartmoor "boxes" springing up and
even some splinter groups that play only amongst themselves. People
share the concept with each other and then it grows and evolves and
changes as everyone interprets it in their own way. I suppose
Geocaching would be the most extreme example of how the game has
varied from its origional form. Change is inevitable and your post
implied a change that I hadn't heard of but I wished to know if this
was a commonly accepted change, this, it seems to me, could only
come from a wide group of independent observers.
I understand your pain and hope you don't give up on the hobby if
you were enjoying it. I am relatively new to it and don't have a lot
of experience to draw on but placing boxes seems to be an art in
itself. I have never planned a boxing day and found all the boxes,
infact, it seems darn close to a 50% missing rate.
Whether you are the victim of calculated vandalism or random
mischief, the perpetrators have offended societies rules of common
decency. We are of one mind on that point. A friend of mine who
introduced me to boxing told me that the only rule is that there are
no rules and that's part of the intriguing aspect of the hobby for
me. Everyone does their own thing and everyone has fun.
Unfortunately we, and our boxes are exposed to all the ravages that
society and Mother Nature can muster, but I don't want to go getting
philosophical again...
Perhaps we could get together sometime and work on some replacement
boxes for your vandalized boxes. Maybe if we each got some of our
friends together and we met we could get your boxes replaced and
exchange some ideas from our respective viewpoints.
access at work) so I just saw your post. Indeed I am sorry that you
have been hurt by what are clearly senseless acts. I hope that you
are just wondering aloud about the person who may have vandalized
your boxes because I assure you that I did not commit, and would not
consider such an act. I don't know if you saw my philosophical
ramblings a while back but I would hope that it would be clear from
that post that I wouldn't do anything like what has happened to you.
I posted your warning with out mentioning the source because I
didn't want to drag you into it and engage you directly in a public
forum. What I wanted was an objective response about what the
warning meant. The very fact that you wrote the warning indicates
that you have a specific bias. I don't deny you the right to have a
viewpoint; I just wished to hear an independent opinion. What I
heard in the warning is your contention that "the game" was intended
to be played a specific way. This implies rules and that runs
counter to what I understand about letterboxing. "The Game" seems to
have evolved without rules and with out any central authority with
many variations from the origional Dartmoor "boxes" springing up and
even some splinter groups that play only amongst themselves. People
share the concept with each other and then it grows and evolves and
changes as everyone interprets it in their own way. I suppose
Geocaching would be the most extreme example of how the game has
varied from its origional form. Change is inevitable and your post
implied a change that I hadn't heard of but I wished to know if this
was a commonly accepted change, this, it seems to me, could only
come from a wide group of independent observers.
I understand your pain and hope you don't give up on the hobby if
you were enjoying it. I am relatively new to it and don't have a lot
of experience to draw on but placing boxes seems to be an art in
itself. I have never planned a boxing day and found all the boxes,
infact, it seems darn close to a 50% missing rate.
Whether you are the victim of calculated vandalism or random
mischief, the perpetrators have offended societies rules of common
decency. We are of one mind on that point. A friend of mine who
introduced me to boxing told me that the only rule is that there are
no rules and that's part of the intriguing aspect of the hobby for
me. Everyone does their own thing and everyone has fun.
Unfortunately we, and our boxes are exposed to all the ravages that
society and Mother Nature can muster, but I don't want to go getting
philosophical again...
Perhaps we could get together sometime and work on some replacement
boxes for your vandalized boxes. Maybe if we each got some of our
friends together and we met we could get your boxes replaced and
exchange some ideas from our respective viewpoints.
Re: Rules and irony
From: Kstar (kstar1200@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-05 23:57:44 UTC
> Perhaps we could get together sometime and work on some replacement
> boxes for your vandalized boxes. Maybe if we each got some of our
> friends together and we met we could get your boxes replaced and
> exchange some ideas from our respective viewpoints.
This is a wonderful example of mutual respect and a generous offer of
cooperation and support. Chaos, perhaps you should consider taking
him up on this? Maybe it will assist in rekindling your sprit and
enthusism for this hobby and the people that are involved? I
certainly hope so. There are definitely good people out there.
Re: Rules and irony
From: Philip L Demers (pldemers@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-01-06 05:19:34 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kstar" wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we could get together sometime and work on some
replacement
> > boxes for your vandalized boxes. Maybe if we each got some of
our
> > friends together and we met we could get your boxes replaced and
> > exchange some ideas from our respective viewpoints.
>
>
> This is a wonderful example of mutual respect and a generous offer
of
> cooperation and support. Chaos, perhaps you should consider taking
> him up on this? Maybe it will assist in rekindling your sprit and
> enthusism for this hobby and the people that are involved? I
> certainly hope so. There are definitely good people out there.
Most of the people out there are good, kind souls.
The way to deal with the muggles of the world is to pity them, don't
let them get you down.
>
> > Perhaps we could get together sometime and work on some
replacement
> > boxes for your vandalized boxes. Maybe if we each got some of
our
> > friends together and we met we could get your boxes replaced and
> > exchange some ideas from our respective viewpoints.
>
>
> This is a wonderful example of mutual respect and a generous offer
of
> cooperation and support. Chaos, perhaps you should consider taking
> him up on this? Maybe it will assist in rekindling your sprit and
> enthusism for this hobby and the people that are involved? I
> certainly hope so. There are definitely good people out there.
Most of the people out there are good, kind souls.
The way to deal with the muggles of the world is to pity them, don't
let them get you down.
Re: Rules and irony
From: Darlene (imetoanirsh@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-13 18:15:29 UTC
You know I kinda was upset when I HAD to write to people on the coast
about their letterboxes for clues. I didn't need that before and now
they went and pulled all their boxes off the site. Guess I understand
now about that. Nobody wants their boxes ravaged by unfeeling and
uncaring scofflaws. Maybe you could do that: just have people write
to you for your clues. That way, at least, you can know who was last
out there.
Just a suggestion,
Eto
about their letterboxes for clues. I didn't need that before and now
they went and pulled all their boxes off the site. Guess I understand
now about that. Nobody wants their boxes ravaged by unfeeling and
uncaring scofflaws. Maybe you could do that: just have people write
to you for your clues. That way, at least, you can know who was last
out there.
Just a suggestion,
Eto